3rd-cousin marriage results in 21% more children and 25% more grandchildren, regardless of who the children marry. That is a huge effect, almost certainly caused by better genetic health, not just a stronger social network.
To those feeling outraged: On r/23andMe this same idea was upvoted without controversy. Ask yourself whether you have the knowledge necessary to make an informed judgment.
Previously the right bred primarily via religion. The postmodern left has developed effective counters to this strategy, as 2,000-year-old Christianity fades into obsolescence, overwhelmed by scientific advancement.
Now high-IQ rightists have adopted a breeding strategy that relies not on myth but objective genetics. Nothing can stop them from inheriting the Earth. Unlike Christianity, kin-breeding is inherently resistant to immivasion.
Why We Must Marry Our Third Cousins To Save Civilization | The Jolly Heretic | YouTube
This video by illustrious evolutionary psychologist Edward Dutton, published in Jan 2021, yielded 31k views without controversy.
If you still think it's incest despite geneticists agreeing otherwise, you are cool and normal. Did you know that all humans are 16th cousins? That's 16x the cousin cooties. Remain celibate to save the environment. Tinder, video games, porn and abortion are cool and normal. Look, a celebrity!
Fortunately, the redpills in this essay ensure that the leftist hivemind will reject it. On r/EffectiveAltruist it received 303k views, 44% upvotes and 706 shares over 4 days, which is impressive for a sub with only 25k members.
Humans evolved to live in tribes. Loneliness is one of the great unsolved problems of modernity. Atomization increases negative outcomes such as substance abuse and suicide. The loss of durable local community impoverishes the lives of children and elderly, who belong together.
Reversing atomization is difficult. Leviticus bound the patrilineages to the land. Modern sects such as Amish, Mormons and Orthodox Jews manage to preserve their tribe via religious identity.
Now modern genetics offers a technical solution that is scalable to the majority, yet practical for the individual: 3rd cousin marriage.
Obviously 1st-2nd cousin marriage causes inbreeding depression. However, 3rd-4th is the sweet spot. 200 years of Icelandic breeding accidentally proved this point. It is the key to recovering from the social externalities inflicted by the industrial revolution. Communism is just a misguided attempt to restore the support network that the clan used to provide.
I propose that the most effective altruism one can practice is towards one's own clan, extending to 3rd and 4th cousins. This is where one's social transaction costs are lowest, thanks to mutual trust and transparency.
Aubrey-D-Graham
Bro, you can't be seriously suggesting marrying your cousin. Roll tide and layoff the stepsis porn.
[PIC: Romeo and Juliet were cousins, you unlettered bigot.]
I hope this thesis will provide a eugenic outlet for the natural desire to kin-breed, to which subreddits such as r/IncestConfessions cater.
Mix_Actual
I too would fuck my cousin if it were socially acceptable.
You are not alone.
[PIC: Going viral]
since breeding isn’t mixed evenly and is instead contained mostly within nations and cultures, the most distant person within your culture or ethnicity is probably closer to you than a 15th cousin
– Everyone on Earth is actually your cousin | Quartz
The average Briton has an estimated 17,000 5th cousins and 170,000 6th cousins. It is impractical to keep track of such relationships. We use words like tribe
or ethnicity
instead.
The average person has 175 3rd cousins and 1,500 4th cousins. 3rd cousins share a great-great-grandparent (4 generations) and about .8% DNA. The 4th cousin relationship is so distant that one-third of 4th cousins share no identical DNA.
The people you see at family reunions are typically 1st cousins. Few people have any idea who their 3rd cousins are, let alone 4th. A 23andMe DNA test misses most 4th cousin relationships.
– Cousin statistics | ISOGG Wiki
Shockingly, 1st cousin marriage is legal in the vast majority of the world. It should be universally banned. 24 US states ban or restrict it, as does China (in theory). There is no reason to allow ignorance to harm children like this, when genetic screening is so cheap. Much cheaper than what the state pays in healthcare for severe birth defects!
However, 4th cousin kinship is vastly different, and virtually undetectable. Unless you married someone from a different continent, you cannot know whether you are 4th-cousin married. Therefore condemning 4th-cousin marriage as consanguineous is not only incorrect but hypocritical:
Consanguineous marriage (CM) or cousin marriage is a type of interfamilial union, defined as the marriage between two blood-related individuals who are second cousins or closer
– Genetic and reproductive consequences of consanguineous marriage in Bangladesh | Pubmed
10% of marriages worldwide are between 1st-2nd cousins. First cousin marriage roughly doubles the rate of genetic disorders, from 3% for genpop to 6%. This risk is similar to that of older mothers vs young ones. However, the 6% gets higher with repeated generations of inbreeding, which is why cultures such as Pakistan with traditions of 1st cousin marriage are noticeably defective.
3rd-cousin marriage is legal in most places. Nevertheless, most people instinctively revile it, ignoring the number and simply associating it with 1st-cousin marriage.
Third cousin marriage is genetically optimal.
The inbreeding risks of 3rd cousin marriage are negligible and can be eliminated entirely via gene screening before courtship. Meanwhile, the reproductive benefits are massive: 21% more children and 25% more grandchildren.
Icelanders had to track their genealogies carefully to avoid inbreeding. A study of their reproductive outcomes showed that 3rd cousins enjoyed a strong reproductive advantage. Remember, the telos of evolution is reproduction:
Women born between 1800 and 1824 who mated with a third cousin had significantly more children and grandchildren (4.04 and 9.17, respectively) than women who hooked up with someone no closer than an eighth cousin (3.34 and 7.31). Those proportions held up among women born more than a century later when couples were, on average, having fewer children.
it will increase your chances of birthing a healthy baby
it might reduce a woman's chance of having a miscarriage caused by immunological incompatibility between a mother and her child.
It may well be that the enhanced reproductive success observed in the Iceland study at the level of third [and] fourth cousins, who on average would be expected to have inherited 0.8 percent to 0.2 percent of their genes from a common ancestor,Bittles says,represents this point of balance between the competing advantages and disadvantages of inbreeding and outbreeding.
Note that this data was from Iceland, which is an extremely homogeneous population. Americans are so diverse, they might benefit from 2.5th-cousin marriage – I have no idea. The benefit size will almost certainly be larger, in such an atomized culture.
The ability to breed with people totally unrelated to you didn't exist prior to the industrial revolution. In much of Europe each village has a distinctive tribal look due to kin-breeding.
That is how evolution is supposed to work: nearby organisms breed with each other. Genes are synergistic and evolve cooperatively. Randomly mixing them with foreign genes destroys the local synergies that have developed. If a gene is globally dominant, then it will propagate steadily across the leaky boundaries of these village/tribal cells
until all of Eurasia carries the gene. Meanwhile, each cell still preserves its genetic diversity, preserving the potential for future breakthroughs along its unique line of research
.
Grizzlies and polar bears are neighbors and can interbreed. However, the resulting grey bear isn't adapted to any particular environment.
Humans are intensely social, and the tribe comprises a large portion of an individual's evolutionary environment. The evolution of diverse personalities depends on a diversity of tribal environments. In a scaled atomized postmodern super-society like ours, only a few generic archetypes can thrive. Altruism and honesty are the first casualties. Shallow exploitative extroverts thrive.
*banjo intensifies*
Get off the internet and go milk a bull or whatever, flyover degenerate.
Loxist Jews frequently deploy the inbred
slur against rural white trash
, which is ironic since Jews are extremely inbred whereas Hajnal Western Europeans are extremely outbred. Israel is in the belt of consanguinity
. Ashkenazis are all cousins, and have suffered severe inbreeding depression, which modern screening thankfully mitigates.
Inbreeding by Country 2023 | World Population Review
Rhetorical derision of inbred populations is inherently anti-Semitic – including not only Jews but Semitic peoples in general. It is also racist, since consanguinity is highest on the African continent.
Among the Habbani Jews in Israel, 56% of marriages are between first cousins. The Samaritans also had very high rates of inbreeding, with 43% of marriages between first cousins and 33.3% between other cousins.
– Cousin marriage in the Middle East | Wikipedia
The USA is one of the most outbred countries. Historically, there was some inbreeding in small isolated rural towns. Today this only persists in Alaskan native communities and in eastern Kentucky, as far as I can tell.
The USA is a young and extremely outbred country. Inbreeding here is difficult to achieve, let alone sustain. That is why only rural or cultish communities such as Amish, Mormons and Orthodox Jews are able to maintain their distinctive look.
The average American moves 11.6 times in his lifetime, whereas the average European moves 4. With local community bonds reduced to temporary shallowness, the foundation of the USA has rotted to the point of collapse. The USA is dying of atomization, and 3rd cousin marriage is the cure.
Unfortunately, the American public is not famous for its numerical literacy. One may doubt it is capable of distinguishing emotionally between 1st and 3rd. It's all just cousins, right?
However, I have faith they can do it. After all, they are ready and eager to cry pedophile over the difference between a 13 year old and a 16 year old. If you grasp that adding 3-5 more years of puberty makes pregnancy much safer, then you can also grasp that adding 2-3 more generations of genetic unrelatedness makes marriage much safer.
That's why a DNA test is one of the four tests for a tradwife. If there is a risk of some extremely rare recessive disorder, better to know right away before investing in the relationship.
In two books, political scientist Charles Murray described the heritage of the West:
Public policy has failed to preserve this heritage, and Western civilization now stands on the precipice. Some say we already plummet into the abyss of WW3.
It is time for the individual to salvage what he can. For Americans, this means returning to the tradition of kin-breeding, via genetically-optimal 3rd-cousin marriage.
The extra fertility and vigor are nice but nonessential given modern medicine. However, Americans must urgently retribalize if they wish to survive their empire's 4th turning. A man's paternal clan is his natural and permanent brotherhood, as dictated by the genetic interest of his Y chromosome. You do not want to face Great Depression 2 and WW3 without a clan.
Few Bible readers stop to consider that each of Israel's 12 tribes was composed of cousins who intermarried. Obviously 1st-2nd cousin marriage causes inbreeding depression. However, 3rd-4th is the sweet spot. This is an important lost social technology that modern genetic science has only recently rediscovered.
When cultural decline drove Abraham from his homeland, he secured a virtuous wife for his son Isaac via distant cousin marriage. Isaac’s son Esau ignored this tradition, marrying a local woman instead.
Then Rebekah said to Isaac, “I’m sick and tired of these local Hittite women! I would rather die than see Jacob marry one of them.”
Jacob married into his father’s clan. Consider whether you wish to be like Jacob or Esau.
Tex Arcane
I have to go with scripture and consult the Bible, which always turns out to be right in the end. Inbreeding strongly discouraged.
Then go read it. The Old Testament is where I got the idea for how to cure the West's atomization, only to have every fool make banjo quips.
Sucking water down your neck is also strongly discouraged
on average, because aspirating water kills in minutes, whereas dehydration kills in days. Similarly, the Bible strongly discourages
near-breeding on average, since inbreeding is illegal and kin-breeding is strongly encouraged. Inbred children suffer birth defects faster than outbred societies disintegrate from atomization.
Incest is not strongly discouraged
by Leviticus, it's a capital crime. The modern definition of consanguinity
is 2nd cousin marriage. Even in an extremely homogeneous population such as Icelanders, kin-breeding benefits peak at 3rd cousin and continue through 4th cousin.
The average Briton has 175 3rd cousins, 1,570 4th cousins, and 17,300 5th cousins. 4th cousin and beyond is synonymous with tribe. Kin-breeding within clan and tribe was the foundation of Old Testament society. It is how Abraham selected Rebecca for Isaac, and how Jacob earned Rachel. Those who believe scripture is divinely inspired should have the utmost respect for tribal breeding.
Patriarchy means the primacy of patriarchal clan. The men scheme to advance their clan together, working as a pack, bound by shared Y-DNA. Women extract value from the clan via their personal relationships, as Joshua's daughter Achsah did when she came to him.
The defeat of the clan means the extinction of the Y-DNA, as the women are taken for war-brides by the victors. Politics and war are thus the domain of men. Women are not accountable and therefore not responsible.
Modern warfare is no different. Ukraine has lost half its population. The fertile women have fled, and the virile men are dead.
The USA is not militarily invadable, but it hardly matters. The unprecedented mass migration into the USA is genetically indistinguishable from invasion. It will turn violent when the USD bubble pops, like the chaos after the USSR collapsed.
Race, Ancestry, and Genetic Composition of the U.S. | Richard Morrill
My Y haplogroup is I-M253 or I1 Nordic:
[PIC: Distribution of haplogroup I1 in Europe]
Haplogroup I-M253 can be found at levels of 10% and higher in many parts of Europe, due to its expansion with men who migrated northward from these refuges, and is most common in Denmark and the southern parts of Sweden and Norway.
That explains why Castle of the Winds was my favorite childhood game: it's a Viking RPG. Wotan fathered our line 4,000 years ago; racial memory is real. I had no idea I was a Viking until I read my 23andMe report, but I was listening to Wardruna and the Volfgang Twins all the same. Find out your Y-DNA haplogroup; it is inspiring to identify your famous forefathers.
This but unironically. I'm Slav and I've always loved Irish culture and celtic peoples in general and considered them pure sovl. And then I found out I am R1b-L21.
I1 Nordic has aggressively expanded into R1b's territory, for example in the Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain and again with the Norman conquest. We were in North America before Columbus. Fight for your patrilineage, or lose it.
I'd especially like to apologize for all the raped nuns. It's a bad habit.
MRAs make the mistake of begging society for help, which earns them only contempt. Complaining is a female tactic; conquest is for men. If you are isolated and atomized, strengthen your clan ties. Marry your paternal 3rd cousin, for a 25% evolutionary advantage.
Ill_Magazine_891
Men need to stop asking for help and start demanding it. We are 50% of the population. I promise you if enough of us get on board we can make some serious changes
Politics as a clan is far more effective than as an atomized individual. Ever heard of the Kennedys? Bushes? Bidens? If you're not playing, you're losing.
To be objective, the most ferocious, predatory, gigachad line is R1a z93. Literally increased its population millions of times over several thousand years. an unprecedented case of genetic dominance.
While it was not my intention to start a haplotism rivalry, at least it's better than arguing about sportsball, which is merely a pacifying substitute for the real thing.
I'm J1 and in Europe. Kneel
J1 is found today in significant frequencies in many areas in or near the Arabian Peninsula and Western Asia. Out of its native Asian Continent, it is found at very high frequencies in Sudan. It is also found at very high but lesser extent in parts of the Caucasus, Ethiopia and parts of North Africa and amongst most Levant peoples, incl. Jewish groups, especially those with Cohen surnames. It can also be found much less commonly, but still occasionally in significant amounts, in parts of southern Europe and as far east as Central Asia.
[PIC: These men rule the world.]
Pickyoourpoison
Form tribes for what? To pay tribute in gold and blood to Moloch or risk being false flagged, bombarded and enslaved? Its delaying the inevitable. Zionists have co-opted Christianity and parasitized White American Christianity.
This Mind-Controlling Parasite Turns Snails Suicidal | YouTube
Clan cohesion becomes more necessary under foreign occupation, not less. See the Sicilian Mafia.
Do you know what happens when all Y-DNAs start playing for their real team, instead of letting the international parasites drain them?
For further discussion, see the 4chan his thread, which fortunately survived moderator deletion.
In chronological order:
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Waco419
Remarkable. It makes logical sense. Unfortunately, some people are reflexively repulsed because they mistakenly equate brother-sister sex to 3-4th cousin sex.
And yet, those same people instinctively feel the drive to mate within their race/ethnicity (which means they are quite happy with 5-6th cousins). Of course, they can't admit this without risking being called racists by the Left.
They understand (if only subconsciously) that there is a social/genentic optimization curve with tribal cohesion/health on the Y axis and average N-th cousin marriage on the X axis. The curve (Y value) is very low when N is 0-1, still pretty low at 2 but peaks quickly in the 3-4 range and then slowly tails off (Y slowly dropping) as N moves to 5 and higher.
GoofyGoobett
Is it possible that this data is being collected with groups more likely to have a lot of offspring?
Widespread, there are lower birth rates among urban, post-industrial societies. Highest birth rates are found in rural, pre-industrial societies. In these areas, it’s sensible to assume families remain closer to one another and the “dating pool” isn’t as saturated with non-family as a populous urban center.
So, your connection that those marrying their distant-ish cousins leads to healthier babies, which is measured with an increase in birth rate, may not be the causal relationship this paper sets forth.
You are critiquing the Iceland study. I suggest you at least read the abstract to refine your point.
tiredhillbilly
That is a huge effect, almost certainly caused by better genetic health, not just a stronger social network.
How do you control for the fact that the cultures most-likely to have 3rd cousin marriages also heavily encourage having lots of kids?
The study data is from Iceland, which was highly homogeneous.
Iceland, despite having no indigenous population or mass migration has only 1 point advantage on American IQ.
Getting cut off from Eurasian collective evolution has a price, as does excessive insularity.
Troll?
meister2983
Can't tell if this is trolling or not.
The obvious objection here to such a plan is social destabilization, wherein clan based loyalty is destabilizing toward broad national trust. Covered in weirdest people in the world and likely some casual effect of the Middle East's development weakness relative to Europe comes from the former having more cousin marriage.
I'm completely serious. If I could redo my life, I would do this instead of moving to a different continent after college.
Yes, obviously clan-centrism can be taken too far and become harmful. I am recommending this to Americans. Middle Easterners need to become less clannish.
I appreciate the substantive objection.
candacallais
Most immigrants to the US did marry within a similar ethnic group even to bringing a wife back from the old country/old village. My great-great grandfather Rudolf Messerli immigrated from Canton Bern, Switzerland in 1857, married a woman from the village next to his a couple years prior. She dies 25 years after they arrive in the US and he sends for her unmarried sister (in her 40s) who he marries in the US in 1883. He had young kids and his sister in law made sense in the context of helping him raise those kids, and she’d be more likely to act as a mother to them being she was already their aunt.
Tribalism
ImpeachedPeach
OP, your post is odd, but it encourages tribalism. It's certainly well written and thought out. But there is very little in here that cannot be a call to form tribes for the apocalypse.
I find that, effectively, tribalism is not altruistic - in fact it is self-centered and seeking the good of your own group and not all people. By your reasoning, Hitler's Germany was altruistic because it served its own tribe of Germania peoples.
Perhaps, reconsider and think a bit more broadly - I don't disagree with e erything you posted, but I find it lacks nuance and understanding.. as well as a poor grasp of connectivity and causality. You have to understand that there's more at play then this little detail of truth you found, and bring everything back to a full view of the Earth.
it encourages tribalism.
No, it encourages clannism to atomized Americans who have largely lost contact with their extended families. I question whether reestablishing basic cohesion can even be called clannism
. By that standard Europe would be clannist
, let alone the Middle East. It is implicitly Eurocentric to condemn clan cohesion. Defending postmodern American atomization verges on anti-human.
But there is very little in here that cannot be a call to form tribes for the apocalypse.
Maybe dial back the Mad Max fantasy then. The Great Depression just happened, and guess what? People depended on their clans. Now Americans don't have that anymore. It won't be glamorous, I assure you.
I find that, effectively, tribalism is not altruistic - in fact it is self-centered and seeking the good of your own group and not all people.
The title of the sub is effective altruism,
not impartial altruism
.
By your reasoning, Hitler's Germany was altruistic because it served its own tribe of Germania peoples.
By your reasoning, Pol Pot was altruistic because he served the People equally.
You have to understand that there's more at play then this little detail of truth you found, and bring everything back to a full view of the Earth.
I understand quite well that until clans have home villages, externalities such as environmental degradation will persist. Only those who dwell on the land over multiple generations have a vested interest in its long-term health.
3rd spaces
immutable_string
Atomization in modernity is not just because of the downsizing of families. The loss of walkability and density due to suburbanization and cars infiltrating cities created desolate streets and contributed to isolation and atomization.
I'd say giving back streets to people (and take them away from cars) as well as creating more third places to conmect people better to their neighbors and neighborhoods will do much more to combat atomization and isolation than 3rd cousin marriages.
US city streets cannot be given
; they are already owned by gangs. The mainstream media endlessly critiques White gentrification but ignores the complaints of Blacks dispossessed by Latinization. Latino societies are clannish, which allows them to control their neighborhoods.
Extreme inbreeding
I'd be interested in knowing more regarding how this might relate to
theAmish or communities of roughly 120 people.
Countermeasures to extreme inbreeding risk are outside this post's scope and my expertise. The USA has the opposite problem. The advice here is not designed for that scenario.
Maximum_Teach2537
Anecdotal perspective. I worked in a peds hospital near a very large Amish population and I’ve never seen more rare diseases and genetic mutations than in that community. I’ve seen families that had multiple children with diseases that are one in a million.
You can just look at them and tell they're fucked up.
Inbreeding depression
There's such as thing as well selected consanguinity. Inbreeding strengthens recessive genes, both negative and positive ones. But it's not the inbreeding that's the problem, it's when there are deleterious recessive alleles to begin with.
Obviously suitors should use genetic screening to both identify 3rd cousins and verify no known genetic risks before courting them.
3rd cousin is the sweet spot between inbreeding depression and outbreeding depression.
Replication
TinyNuggins92
Vaguely Wesleyan Bisexual Dude 🏳️🌈 (yes I am a Christian)Just so everyone knows… this is an opinion piece that is also using Quora, Wikipedia and very few actual scientific studies to support this claim, rather relying on a lot of commentary on some studies and entirely opinion.
200 years of Icelandic breeding is much larger than any scientifically conducted double-blind study you'll ever read.
PhD
Suspicious_Impact267
I actually reviewed much of this literature during my PhD on the
optimal outbreedinghypothesis in other animals.I would also point to a study of the modern danish population (don't have to hand) that shows higher fertility among 3-4th cousins
While I am somewhat confident that 3-4 cousins would have higher fertility, I fail to see how this would result in less atomisation and loneliness.
Some feedback for the post:
Spell out in far more detail the problem that this would solve. the only convincing part of this post is that 3-4th cousin marriage has higher fertility but that's not the problem you claim to solve
Apart from fertility I struggle to see how distant cousin marriage would change anything social about society, and your post does not really explain any of that. I'd argue the bulk of your essay should be on this as its what people would be interested in.
You seem to be arguing that greater tribalism in american society would be beneficial when it is widely considered to be detrimental. Did you intend this? If not, you should try to make your argument clearer.
Thanks, the Danish study sounds useful, not that anyone has seriously challenged the Iceland study.
I don't feel a need to explain why marrying nearer kin results in stronger clan cohesion. Having overlap in cousins with one's spouse results in more attention paid to them.
There will always be people who question whether the sky is blue, but their objections are irrelevant. The Iceland study demonstrates that the increase in children is even stronger for grandchildren. The effect is multi-generational, regardless of who the children marry. This implies increased overall thriving. It doesn't matter whether the thriving is attributed to happiness, social support, health, or whatever.
Kin-breeding would make society more insular and clan-centric. Obviously American leftists are intrinsically opposed to that. There is no use debating what is essentially their religious bias.
The bulk of my essay must be aimed at defusing the extreme social prejudice against inbreeding as associated with white trash
. I am OK with this message only reaching those who are not unreasonably committed to this bias; it is natural selection.
Generations
TheMidwesternMarvel
TheMidwestMarvel
This only works for a few generations and only if there’s no history of consanguinity beforehand. Otherwise you end up like Pakistan.
Bold claim. Evidence?
TheMidwestMarvel
Assuming your European you’re fine with 3rd cousins, it’s just a problem if it’s done repeatedly in a culture
Pakistan Source https://bmcwomenshealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12905-022-01704-2
Inbreeding coefficient
Sounds like a fighting retreat. This thesis recommends 3-4th cousin marriages to outbred Americans, with genetic screening before courtship. You wrote:
This only works for a few generations and only if there’s no history of consanguinity beforehand. Otherwise you end up like Pakistan.
I know of no evidence supporting your claim. 3-4th cousin marriage works indefinitely, as far as we know. Even if problems do arise in 200 years, they will be much better equipped to handle them.
Obviously 2nd cousin marriage becomes significantly worse in inbred populations. I haven't recommended 3rd cousin marriage to inbred populations, let alone 2nd.
TheMidwestMarvel
You didn’t see any evidence because you didn’t read.
3rd cousins has an inbreeding coefficient of 1/128, fine for a generation or 2 then the recessive genes start piling up. That’s how you get inbred populations, like Pakistan.
All humans are nth cousins. By your logic, the inbreeding coefficient should have already reached 100%. There is obviously a countervailing force. I argue it reaches optimum balance at 3rd cousin; evidence supports me. You argue the trend will reverse after 2 generations, with nothing but exponential extrapolation.
You cite Pakistan as your example, the most consanguineous country on Earth, where 1st cousin marriage is normalized. Obviously you are lying; 3rd cousin marriage is not how Pakistan arrived at its current inbred state.
TheMidwestMarvel
So it doesn’t balance out, once those recessive genes are “back” (homozygous recessive) they can last in a population for generation. The only way to eliminate it is to introduce a population that’s homozygous dominant and hope for the best.
No evidence supports you, I have an undergrad in Molecular Biology, Masters in Genetic Counseling, and am in school to be an NP.
If there were negative effects to 3rd cousin marriage over two generations, they should surely have showed up in a population as isolated as Iceland's. In which case, the benefits would be even more dramatic in outbred America. Your argument unwittingly supports my thesis.
No evidence supports you
Again, you are lying. The Icelandic study supports my position, and another PhD commenter alluded to a Danish 3rd cousin study with the same results. This post also references the study, although the link is dead:
Date your 3rd Cousin in order to have as many descendants as possible ! | r/23andme
Your credentials are not evidence of anything but the failure of said institutions to perform their function.
Even if 3rd cousin marriage were no longer viable for 3rd-generation practitioners, those grandchildren will begin courting 40 years from now, by which time genetics will have advanced to the point that this crude approximation of optimal eugenics will be obsolete regardless.
TheMidwestMarvel
You’re source is a post you made 2 years ago. And I never said 2 generations, I said you can get away with it for a few generations provided there’s no prior history.
Reading comprehension isn’t really your thing, are your parents related?
I did not make that post, nor the one by Suspicious-Impact.
fine for a generation or 2 then the recessive genes start piling up.
I never said 2 generations
Lying is definitely your thing.
Reading comprehension isn’t really your thing
My GMAT reading score is 99th percentile. Terminating contact.
pol
The shared DNA would double every generation, which would become a very big problem in a century or so. It's what happened to Arabs after they adopted Islam.
Bullshit. The Arab problems come from 1st-cousin marriage. Your example is a lie, because you have no real example of 3rd cousin marriage causing problems. And even if it might, in two generations genetics will have advanced so far that this crude eugenics rule of thumb will be obsolete regardless.
It doubles with every generation, that's how it works. With time, the difference between consanguinity within 1st and 3rd cousins would be negligible.
https://www.legacytree.com/blog/genetically-equivalent-relationships
Doesn't matter how many generations you do it. Just pick someone genetically equivalent to 3rd cousin. The optimal amount never changes, even if you have to start marrying 4th or 5th cousins to get it.
Major pedigree collapse becomes endogamy in isolation, but do whatever you want.
Exactly. You're talking as if the context were an island with the minimum population to sustain 3rd cousin marriage indefinitely. The actual context is the USA, the most outbred population ever, 332 million strong. Very relevant, thank you for your important contribution.
Generalization
Unlucky-Prize
You can’t really generalize Icelandic data to everyone. That’s also a population with 40 generations of selective pressure towards 3rd cousins being compatible. Also the benefit may be related to 3rd cousin marriage measuring community strength rather than genetic advantage. Its also a 3rd cousin group inside a less genetically diverse group, you can’t generalize to 3rd cousins with less overlapping backgrounds
I don’t believe it as a conclusion it as a conclusion of ‘advantage’ without a general principal that is showing up else where. Immune compatibility doesn’t make sense when you don’t see worsened life expectancy and so forth with very outbred children (distant regions of Europe, and cross continental parings)
You are grasping at straws to defend your bias.
That’s also a population with 40 generations of selective pressure towards 3rd cousins being compatible.
An inbred population makes outbreeding more beneficial, not less.
Also the benefit may be related to 3rd cousin marriage measuring community strength rather than genetic advantage.
Again, you argue in my favor. Iceland had much stronger community than atomized America does, so the benefit would be larger in America.
Immune compatibility doesn’t make sense when you don’t see worsened life expectancy and so forth with very outbred children (distant regions of Europe, and cross continental parings)
Life expectancy is dependent on many factors. It's easier to look at pregnancy instead.
Interracial pairings do suffer reduced interfertility, or even infertility, which typically causes the indigenous tribe to go extinct, as occurred in Madagascar and parts of Australia recently. For example, White male Asian female pregnancies have certain common complications.
Obviously scientists cannot research such taboo topics without risking their careers. The replicability crisis is an excellent indicator of how seriously one should take the postmodern consensus on politicized topics: flip a coin instead.
ThrivingIvy
An American has about 175 third cousins and 1570 fourth cousins. That's 1745 total. Divide by half for gender, and then remove, say, 90% for age suitability (closeness in age is a huge divorce predictor). Now cut another half because at least that many will already be married or in long-term relationships.
You are left with ~44 suitable matches before even looking at who they are. You seriously think one of those people is going to be better to raise your children than one of the 10 MILLION others in your dating bracket? The probability of them being the best match you can find economically, emotionally, health-wise, intellect-wise, etc is infinitesimal. Odds are the best you will get is
good enoughfor a regular life, if at least one of them doesn't slam the door in your face. I see no reason why you can expect to find a partner in your family who will help you deal with WW3 or collapse of democracy or something else drastic like you are going on about.Taking this advice would in all likelihood make someone's life a lot worse than it could be if they worked to navigate the regular dating market to find a partner suitable to their personality and values. And btw you throw away QALYs when you act like love doesn't matter, it's one of the best feelings on earth.
(I agree with all the other reasons commentors mentioned of why neither this advice nor it's the premise is sound. Just touching on another reason)
You are left with ~44 suitable matches before even looking at who they are. You seriously think one of those people is going to be better to raise your children than one of the 10 MILLION others in your dating bracket?
Over the period of the study, the population of Iceland grew from 46k to about 180k. Those who selected 3-4th cousins chose from a much smaller pool, yet outperformed everyone else by over 20%.
Icelanders were not deliberately selecting for 3rd cousins, so perhaps Americans would do worse by settling for an inferior 3-4th cousin match. But why would they? Knowing of the 20% genetic advantage doesn't require ignoring other factors. My post is a suggestion, not a government law. There is no biological benefit to 5th cousin marriage, but atomized Americans would still benefit from the improved clan cohesion.
The interesting thing is that the Icelanders were trying to select the best possible match, while totally ignoring the unknown biological benefit of 3-4th cousin marriage. As a result, they substantially underestimated the value of 3-4th cousin mates. Otherwise the performance would be even from 3rd to 9th cousins.
And btw you throw away QALYs when you act like love doesn't matter, it's one of the best feelings on earth.
It is ridiculous to assert that increased feelings of affection and closeness due to clan cohesion were not a factor in the 20% increase in children and grandchildren. For one thing, it implies more sex!
Perhaps if Americans spent less time exhausting themselves sorting through the 10 million matches of their mating game, they could spend their senior years with their grandchildren.
Thanks for advancing the discussion with a substantive objection.
techaaron
I reckon the optimal breeding strategy is to let people have kids with whoever they want, assuming you want to maximize freedom.
This is the idiot's version of the previous objection.
SpeakTruthPlease
There's some truth here. I would argue consanguinity isn't necessarily the only answer, my instincts tell me it's probably a safe bet in terms of maintaining genetic fitness. However conscious mate choice also seems perfectly valid, key word being conscious. In other words, choosing a mate based on blood is one heuristic, but consciously choosing based on character is another valid heuristic. Noting that most people sleepwalk their way into relationships, and it shows in the impoverished state of marriage and relationships today. Hence the focus on making conscious choice.
Also, having a blood clan doesn't necessarily seem to be the answer either. I would again appeal to forming conscious relationships, getting involved with local community, and particularly connecting with likeminded neighbors and so forth. Perhaps a blood clan would be ideal, from my perspective this comes with it's own tribal disadvantages. Therefore a conscious community of shared culture and values is the superior heuristic, however shared ancestry is likely a plus.
consanguinity isn't necessarily the only answer, my instincts tell me it's probably a safe bet in terms of maintaining genetic fitness.
Consanguinity stops at 2nd cousin, and is not a safe bet.
conscious mate choice
Icelanders chose mates without consciousness of the 3rd cousin advantage, and consequently left 25% on the table.
choosing based on character
Mating criteria are not unidimensional.
Perhaps a blood clan would be ideal, from my perspective this comes with it's own tribal disadvantages.
Some prefer to remain celibate. Natural selection is eugenic.
hnlPL
Americans don't actually care about pedophilia or not, it's more about the human instinct to protect weaker humans which the young are. Those that cry about it the loudest also tend to be the ones that want to do it the most, because others doing it makes the jealous.
There is a tendency for people to be attracted to people that are as closely related to you as possible, with the countertendency of being sexually repulsed by people you interacted heavily with during the early years of your life. Which is one of the reasons why hooking up with close relatives that you didn't know you where related to is far more common than random chance.
That tendency might be one of the reasons for higher reproductive rates for 3rd cousin marriages.
We are a soup of genes cooked by our environment, and we lack the knowledge to accurately change the outcomes.
I think most of the hatred of pedophilia is rooted in a masculine desire to actually kill pedophiles, as it plays out in prison. Otherwise agreed.
Eugenics-maxxing
Inbreeding often leads to depression because you idiots read one article and think you know what you're doing.
And most of you have a completely retarded view of tribe, race and species. If you take a Greek islander and breed them with a Greek mainlander, that is more than enough to induce out-breeding and potential hybrid vigour presuming both participants aren't degenerate.
The redpill of 3rd cousin marriage is a gateway drug to the harder stuff like race realism. Alignment of genetic and clan interest also helps counter Feminism.
Eugenics-maxxing can wait for the Reich. First we must survive DC's collapse and contain the catastrophic ovarian damage from mRNA mass vaccination.
If, for example, there was a solar ascension event that would unlock our Vril powers, then the mRNA injections might be designed to scramble the junk
DNA so that we would be powerless slaves after the shift. Or maybe it just sterilizes your daughters, who knows? The plague vectors must be caught and tagged before they escape.
Swedish misfortune
Anonymous (ID: uPLJcEp3) 10/20/23(Fri)16:24:52 No.445608362 Sweden
Be me
Swede
Have kid with gypsy girl
kid have autism
have kid with Albanian girl
Kid comes out ok.
It's a question of how smart and healthy looking the female is.
gets the Albanian girl pregnant again
she misscarries
A female that looks younger than her age have better genes than a female that looks older than her age.The gypsy girl looked a bit older than her age, the albanian girl looks about her age.
It's all about how a girl ages. That says all aboyut the quality of her genes.
A females eggs are stored in her ovaries from birth. To understand what quality her eggs genetics will have you should look at the woman itself, if she is healthy and young looking, that means her eggs probably are as well.
There is no need to marry your cousins. You have a pair of eyes and can visualize a woman's genetic quality just by accessing her appearance.
If you want healthy kids get a woman that looks younger than her age.
This is why a lot of guys find Asian girls attractive, because they age very well, that reflects the overall quality of their eggs.
If you marry a cousin who age poorly, the quality of your offspring will be poor as well.
If you lack a racist uncle to tell you not to fuck gypsies, then I suppose your dick is the most competent decisionmaker available to you.
Parents love their children because they are more closely related to them – except in ants it's the reverse:
Think about it from the perspective of the genes. The selfish genes want to fill the world with copies of themselves. For a gene carried by a human — or dog, or rabbit, or a spider — the best that gene can do is to create offspring that are 50% genetically similar, and keep cranking them out: have lots of kids. But let's say that the selfish, self-replicating gene is carried by a female ant. If that ant starts having lots of ant babies, the babies will be 50% genetically similar to her — about as good as a human would be. But remember, that ant's sisters are all 75% genetically similar to her. From her genes' perspective, her ideal 'reproductive' strategy isn't to reproduce at all: it's to increase the number of sisters she has. The most important thing for that female ant is for the queen to stay alive as long as possible.
– Kuiper,Re: Dragonize, chapter 34:Evolution
If you race mix in your own country, then any random countryman is a closer relative than your child. You would genetically benefit from banishing your child, more than from siring additional children of your own race.
That's why when times get hard, foreigners and hybrids aren't welcome anymore.
Thrice removed
Thrice removed is ideal for social cohesion and lowered social transaction costs, because everyone's on the same page instinctually. Mass migration is in part negating this as a rallying function against They-Them.
Commenter exhibits superhuman insight on my original thesis, which should have zero defenders besides me. Illuminati confirmed.
Loxism
Pantone711
What does
Loxistmean?Edited to add: Does he think people of that particular heritage are the only ones who call poor, rural, and/or working-class white people
inbred?Because EVERYBODY does it. I don't think I've ever heard a person of that particular heritage do it. PLENTY of lower-middle-class strivers do it.
The rootless cosmopolitan did not say inbred
; he broadly targeted flyover degenerates
. This is consistent with loxism, the belief that gentiles are cattle. His genocidal contempt is necessary to suppress cognitive dissonance generated by his obviously-false stereotype.
Hollywood and mainstream media have popularized the inbred hick
trope, but in gentiles it typically takes forms such as Alabama
that do not target the speaker.
Pantone711
Well now that you mention it, this is a little off topic but I read that Genghis Khan thought people who stayed put in one place, as opposed to nomads, were
sitting ducks.I guess you could say like cattle.
Yeah, when someone refers to you as livestock, prepare to be genocided.
Influencing
European ⚔️ Revolution
@EuropeanRevoltThe dissident right is a failed movement, because it gave up on its core founding principle: BEING PRO-WHITE.
Guys, we don't just get to stop being pro-white because our little meme-sphere all decided race is real and Whites are under attack in 2017. We have to keep going.
You have to virtue signal. You have to influence. You have to sneak
they hate Whitesorthey're just anti-whiteinto conversations regularly.
BUT UR NOT NAMEING DUH JOOposters aren't helping this process. Getting people to talk about Whites and our interests is hard. Sperging about the JQ disrupts that VERY delicate balance, and pretty much killed the movement's upward mobility.
So change the conversation. Beyond thrice removed, cousins become indistinguishable from tribe. This is the meme that will penetrate polite company, and retribalize the atomized West.
<3
brumblefee
Three is the number of love: mother father child.
Othello
Romeo pic is literally the OG '' Blacked'. Latin man and Germanic/Celt woman.
His wrist is white, so it's alright. At least it's not DiCaprio.
Y-DNA duel
[pic: Adolf Hitler]
I1 bows to E-V13
Also riddle me this: how can Wotan father the I1 line when he originally came from Turkeland?
Doesn’t add up mate
You’re not æsir
You’re vanir
Lies. I'll pencil you in for WW4.
Cope. Snorri said so.
Salvation
bluntrauma420
Cool, then AncestryTinder will be the app that saves humanity.
It's true, 23andMe is a dating app.
Secrets
PerniciousDude
Unless you married someone from a different continent, you cannot know whether you or your parents are 4th-cousin married.
Huh? Both my wife and I know all of our genealogy for at least six generations back.
Official genealogies do not always match actual.
Marx
MaoZDongers
Dudes will write an essay about fucking your cousins to solve atomization before dreaming of abolishing capitalism, it's Joever.
Clan sharing: the original communism, the only one that ever worked!
Reunion
OP busts this out at the family reunion guaranteed.
I married someone from a different continent, so no. Family reunions are typically focused on first cousins. If you cannot trust yourself to distinguish between 1 and 3, then of course I recommend you remain celibate. This information is for husbands considerate enough to reduce their wives' odds of miscarriage, not innumerate NPCs.
Alabama
Roll Tide
Alabama is one of 26 states that allow 1st cousin marriage, which should be universally banned. However, there is no modern factual basis for the association of incest with Alabama. The stereotype should instead reference eastern Kentucky, where some backwoods counties are still inbred.
KudzuKilla
Alabama is the whipping boy for all southern and rural stereotypes.
My theory is that pretty much all the other southern states have a major city in them that people have been to or know someone that’s been to them so when looking for a state to fit stereotypes Alabama is chosen because most people have never been there and no one they know has been there to say they are wrong.
Mississippi too, but it's harder to say and spell.
NB: I have no particular connection or affection for Alabama, and dislike American football, which is concussions without combat.
Overthetrees8
You're mostly engaging with Americans in reddit.
Marrying your first and second cousins used to be extremely common.
The only reason Americans hate the idea of marrying cousins so much is that at some point it was looked at as being poor.
Last time I checked the rulers of Britain have been fucking, marrying, and breeding with their cousins for a very very long time. It's how nobility kept their bloodlines.
Marrying your cousins was much more common in Europe.
To my knowledge it is still quite commonplace in many places in the world.
I'm not specifically agreeing with your premise just the fact I find it funny people are so morally righteous about it depsite the fact pretty much everyone is inbred.
Redpilled
The mods at r/TheRedPill removed this essay. The comments were uniformly negative and of lol cousinfucker
quality. The closest thing to an objective criticism was this:
kalisto3010
Based on the style and format of this post it was 100% AI generated.
I Googled some AI text detection websites to check:
This is human text.
There is a 0% probability this text was entirely written by AI.
I posted the results and was downvoted heavily.
It is ironic that Medium is more redpilled than r/TheRedPill.
Genius
AriadneSkovgaarde
I'm a little disappointed people are so defensive, since you appear to be following the Speech Code for Dissidents reasonably.
Autiste
ophel1a_
Great for genes, terrible for modern people.
Your capacity to separate the two is rare.
ophel1a_
Thank you, I know. ;D
Slut
Prokletnost
Good news for some of you! No, not sister or brother tho, sorry!
Yes, hopefully the natural desire to kinbreed will henceforth be channeled in the eugenic direction of 3-4th cousins. While we're at it, let's ban 1st cousin marriage everywhere.
Waco1488
The fact that we need to ban 1st cousin marriages says all. I may be wrong but i think you could do more if you engaged with everyone in your post instead of only engaging with people who validate you😬
Why bother? Natural selection is eugenic.
Backtrace
Waco1488 is obviously a fake account created by a Redditor I blocked from commenting on the post. Immediately one suspect sprung to mind. I sent a PM:
111:
What an amusing handle. I like to guess:
I knew when I blocked her for her first snarky comment that she wouldn't appreciate the dismissal:
goddamn_slutmuffin
There’s a lot to unpack here…
Her most recent comment in my thread:
goddamn_slutmuffin
A lot of the suspicious language involved with and references to certain cultures and ethnic groups starts to make sense and take on an even more insidious tone after checking out his other posts… 😬
Identical 😬 emoji; match confirmed.
Slutmuffin is a high IQ starseed perceptive enough to understand that downvote-and-denounce won't work here. However, her bonobophile smugness renders her superfluous.
My thesis has 220k views, 35% ratio, 109 karma and 536 shares. The sheep have been separated from the goats. If she wants to save her people, she can do it herself.
I unblocked Slutmuffin and linked her this reply. Alas, she blocked me without replying. Surely she could do more if she engaged with everyone!
It's true I ignored many passive-aggressive leftist comments. As the best of the bunch, Slutmuffin can represent them all, and the futility of engaging further. In the words of their sainted subhumans: She belongs to the streets.
Boudicca
Yes, inbreeding will make us
strunklike the yids with their genetic diseases. Look upMad King Ludwig.They had to drown him in a lake somewhere in Germany.Where do these trolls come from? I'm guessing a trailer park.
Deliverance - Dueling Banjos (HQ) - YouTube
Or maybe a yid?
Jewish Genetic Disease Consortium …. a short film Part 1 - YouTube
1/4 to 1/2 of readers quietly upvote my thesis. By contrast, the opposition is loud. I've received literally hundreds of comments from Redditors boasting they reject a 25% evolutionary advantage.
Every time, it makes the future a little brighter. Each eugenic choice brings humanity closer to comprehending the mysteries of compound interest – which Jews have wielded for centuries to beggar gullible Aryan peasants.
They always call me whatever they hate, and they're always right:
Please continue sending me comments about why you choose to lose. The more vituperative and incoherent, the better. Focus on me personally, as if I invented the idea.
What about second cousins? My second cousin Mandy is a hottie. Just sayin
No benefit. Get screened and it'll be fine, as long as neither of you are inbred, probably.
This is some real delicious stuff OP, thanks for the link. Why not 2nd cousins tho?
It just doesn't show a benefit in the Iceland study. I think the genes were too close, so some inbreeding penalty resulted, cancelling out the benefits. But Icelanders are already extremely homogeneous, so 2.5th cousins might work in the USA. Further study needed.
unpolishedparadigm
“2.5th-cousin-marriage” 😂
How Do I Determine Genetically Equivalent Relationships? | LegacyTree Genealogies
riddlesinthedark117
The old joke is that “Second cousins are kissing cousins,” isn’t it?
In complete disclosure, my parents were 4th cousins once removed. (4 generations on one side, 5 of on the other). Which really just means if my grandmother and mother didn’t share maiden names they probably wouldn’t have known without extensive genealogy work. The family joke though, is “my mom’s from Tennessee and she married her cousin”
The Mormon homogeneous look makes me laugh, too, but real talk, one of the maternal great-grandparent sets has well over a thousand descendants now and that family network has been there for me at times in my life. And I’ve known many Pacific Islanders who could make similar claims about their cousins. But that doesn’t diminish the weird collapse undercurrent of OP
Well as a Mormon you'll be prepared for it.
12baakets
The USA is a young and extremely outbred country
So you're saying America didn't have the time to tribalize because the continuous flow of migrants created what it is today - an extremely outbred country.
Americans must urgently retribalize if they wish to survive
Re-tribalize how when there was no tribe to begin with? Are you suggesting we segregate into racial groups? How do you even define race in America?
The instructions were clear. Find your clan, and the tribes will take care of themselves.
Aight where my 1/2 german 1/4 irish 1/8 mexican 1/8 black 1/16 comanche tribe at?
South of the Rio Grande, perhaps. Regardless, the question relevant to you is, where are your paternal cousins.
SleeplessInMichigan
What does one do with a daughter who is very pretty but also has a 140 plus IQ and somewhat spirited personality? She’s being homeschooled and raised Christian.
Marry her off to a 3rd cousin ASAP before she starts fucking behind your back. Or someone high IQ enough to handle her. You should be able to get quite the bidding war going for her.
SleeplessInMichigan
Bidding war? I thought super high IQ is considered not so desirable in women.
For lower IQ men, it's a potential problem. For high IQ men, it's essential for a true partner, and extremely rare. See Aaron Clarey's Curse of the High IQ.
Child IQ is largely inherited from the maternal, so it's important. Few will understand the value; those who do will be extremely interested.
SleeplessInMichigan
Aha. How does one find a high-enough IQ Christian son-in-law who will value this trait - and who will not be deterred by our Ashkenazi genetic background? (Yes we are converts to Christ)
Yeah, I've got 1/8 Ashkenazi too. Husband selection is something homeschooling fathers must do regularly, so I'm sure there are resources about this. I've never done it. Here are some ideas.
Create profiles for her on relevant social media and dating sites. Gab, Twitter, Facebook?, WhiteDate?, unvaxxed dating site, mainstream marriage websites. You can hire a virtual assistant to help manage the filtering process. Tim Ferriss and others write about how.
Ashkenazi is pretty inbred, I assume you want to avoid them to get away from the associated issues.
As for high IQ, there might be high-IQ dating societies. Or just put it in the profile and it will attract the right ones.
Filtering for IQ and religion is easier online. Maybe you could accomplish the same via proxy of career going through a church you like.
The bigger problem you'll face is that the Bible is substantially corrupted and people in your family are liable to figure that out. Point them here if they do, to avoid the more toxic alternatives:
https://new-birth.net
You might ask this question on Quora as well.
SleeplessInMichigan
Fantastic! Thank you!
Yes, we are most definitely trying to dilute the Ashkenazi in us :)
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